Monday, July 12, 2010

Name One Difference Between World Opinion and Left-Wing Opinion

I think most on the left would find this article odd, but this certainly is my limited experience. Anyway, food for thought.

Dennis Prager
Name One Difference Between World Opinion and Left-Wing Opinion
Here's a challenge: Can you name one difference between what the media refer to as "world opinion" and Left-wing opinion?
Take all the time you need. But no matter how much time you take, you probably won't come up with any examples.
Here are examples of major world issues and what is deemed "world opinion." They happen to all be Leftist views as well.
-- hatred of President George W. Bush and admiration of President Barack Obama
-- Manmade carbon emissions lead to global warming and devastation of the environment. Therefore, the world's nations must tax carbon-based energy.
-- The American invasion of Iraq was morally wrong, motivated by desire for oil.
-- Israel is bad, as exemplified most recently by the Turkish flotilla incident.
-- The American free-enterprise system is inferior to Europe's welfare-state systems.
-- The American health care system is inferior to that of all other wealthy countries (see last week's column).
This list in no way differs from a list of Leftist positions. Nor would any other list of "world opinion" positions differ in any meaningful way from Leftist positions.
Why is that?
The most obvious answer would be that much of the world is Leftist in its views. Therefore, Leftist positions and world opinion are the same.
The truth is, for reasons to be explained, there is some validity to this explanation.
But there is a deeper and more accurate explanation: The world's media and virtually all international organizations are Leftist in their politics, and they both define "world opinion" and in turn shape it.
Of course, there are other powerful institutions in the world that shape public opinion. But virtually none contravene the Left-wing views of the world's media and world organizations on world issues.
Take Islam, for example. Islamic institutions shape the opinions of the majority of the world's billion Muslims. But while the Left and Islam diverge on a great number of issues -- women's rights, gay rights, individual rights, press freedom, freedom of dissent, religious pluralism, just to name a few major ones -- they coincide on international issues and views of America.
The Islamic world, Leftist media and the United Nations agree on virtually every international issue -- on the villainy of Israel first and foremost, on support for the United Nations, on weakening American influence around the world, on opposition to the use of American force in Iraq and Afghanistan, on abolishing nuclear weapons, etc.
Another highly influential institution is the Roman Catholic Church. But its differences from Leftist positions are only on personal moral matters such as same-sex marriage and abortion. It is not a strong voice against the Left, and like the Left, it is largely silent on moral problems within the Muslim world. When the current pope did make a statement critical of Islam, the world press -- and therefore "world opinion" -- were united in condemning him. The world media, in keeping with its Left-wing agenda, is incomparably more critical of the Catholic Church than of Islam.
To better understand how the Left, the United Nations and most international institutions determine "world opinion," take the issue of manmade global warming. The United Nations declared global warming a closed issue, the world's media uncritically echo the U.N. report, and that's it.
According to a BBC World Service poll of 22,000 people in 21 countries (as reported by WorldPublicOpinion.org, in 2007), "Large majorities around the world believe that human activity causes global warming and that strong action must be taken, sooner rather than later, in developing as well as developed countries." It is remarkable how similar "world opinion" on global warming sounds to the Left's position on global warming. The Left believes it is the vital environmental issue of our time, the United Nations announces it is, the media around the world report it as such, and lo and behold, the "world" demands immediate and drastic action to combat something that may happen (if at all) sometime in the distant future.
The great exception to all this is the United States. A vigorous conservative part of the American population has contempt for "world opinion," rightly regarding it as useless against real evil and as a mere reflection of Leftist views. Equally important, and almost unique to America, there is a vigorous conservative news and opinion media. Compared to the Leftist domination of virtually all mass news media -- newspapers, magazines and television -- the conservative media are almost tiny. But talk radio, the Internet, Ronald Reagan and his ideological heirs in the Republican Party, Fox News and the Wall Street Journal editorial page have made an impact that belies their numbers.
But they are only powerful in America. And even there, it is often difficult to overcome the United Nations, the Left, the universities, the media and "world opinion."
And conservative influence in America and everywhere else is in direct proportion to the public coming to understand that "world opinion" is a creation of the Left, reported by the Left.

14 comments:

  1. So is he saying only in America do people in significant numbers understand freedom?

    This reminds me of a different blog I read this morning by Greg Boyd. Greg is a pastor who says he is neither right nor left.

    In Colossians 2:7 Paul encourages Christians to be “rooted and built up in [Christ] and established in the faith.” The American Patriot’s Bible, edited by Gerald Lee and published by Thomas Nelson, connects this verse to part of a speech by John Quincy Adams, America’s sixth president, concerning the significance of the Fourth of July. Adams says that “next to the birthday of the Savior,” the “most joyous and most venerated festival” is Independence Day. For “the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior.” Indeed, Adams contends that “the Declaration of Independence…gave to the world the first irrevocable pledge of the fulfillment of the prophecies announced directly from heaven at the birth of the Savior….” The birth of America, in other words, is the beginning of the fulfillment of Jesus’ mission in the world.

    Several things are interesting about this passage. For starters, it’s a little surprising that the Fourth of July beat out Easter for second place in Adams’ rating of “venerated” holidays. One might have thought American Christians would find Jesus’ resurrection a bit more “venerable” than the fact that we violently emancipated ourselves from British rule. In fact, while I fully appreciate that many Americans are grateful to no longer be subject to the throne of England, I’m puzzled about how the Fourth of July could appear anywhere on a Christian’s list of “venerated” holidays. How can a holiday that celebrates one group of mostly professing Christians violently overthrowing another group of mostly professing Christians be venerated by people who are called to love their enemies and to be peacemakers, even if they happen to find themselves on the side that won?

    [Poll: Recent USA Today Poll Says More Americans "Extremely Patriotic."]

    But the most remarkable aspect of Adams’ speech is undoubtedly his depiction of the violent birth of America as the beginning of the fulfillment of Jesus’ mission. Let’s overlook for the moment the systemic and barbaric injustices done to Native Americans and Africans by Europeans as they conquered and developed this land. And let’s agree that the political freedoms to enjoy “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” are among the noblest in history. Still, on what basis could Adams or anyone else claim that the birth of this nation has anything to do with the mission of the Savior?

    As he made clear to Pilate, Jesus came to establish a kingdom that is “not from this world.” The kingdom Jesus came to establish is not a “new and improved” version of the systems of the world. It’s something altogether different. For example, while all versions of the kingdoms of the world resort to violence against enemies when they deem it necessary, citizens of Jesus’ kingdom are called to imitate him by sacrificing themselves out of love for their enemies.

    As noble as America’s ideals are, followers of Jesus must never buy into Adam’s delusion — repeated throughout history and still widespread today — that political ideals are a formula for the Kingdom of God. For the Kingdom is not about enjoying “life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.” It’s about looking like Jesus, dying out of love for the very people who crucified him.

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  2. I think what he is saying is there are limited divergent opinions in much of the world, due to a left-wing domination of education and the media. I think in the media in particular that is true, there are no alternative opinions in Europe or Canada (few in the US as well), just different shades of liberal opinions. Canada does have MacLeans Magazine, but they are the exception, and hence the media and educators control the conversation. For example, in economics, it is remarkable how most think Keynesian economics works and that is what solved the 1930s depression (when in 1921 there was a depression in the US, solved effectively by aggressively cutting taxes and government spending which probably 98% of the world doesn't know about) when Hayek is little known but vastly more correct.

    Anyway, i think it is a good challenge, to name an issue where world opinion and left opinion are different.

    As a comical anecdote that occurred today that is somewhat related to the point above, i was interviewing someone that was highly educated and just out of school (8 years of Harvard and Stanford Business and Law) and I asked her what she thought of living in Orange County vs San Francisco. She said "she hated Orange County, as in SF people are smart, but in Orange County they are Christian [as she made a face to show her disgust]". That is the product of modern education and fueled by the media, a view that people that are christian are clearly stupid. Even though she wanted me to hire her, she was so confident that given i was somewhat competent, i would therefore not be a Christian. This is not an isolated case, almost everybody i work with is Ivy League educated and under the assumption christians are superstitious idiots.

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  3. Frankly, I don't understand Prager. The people I regard as left wing http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag, Deminsion Magazine (I presume you saw it while at U of M.) rabble.ca and thetyee.ca differ profoundly with mainstream media, which I would consider middle of the road, which is where world opinion probably is too. Or does he mean the Marxist-Leninist http://mltoday.com/?

    Of more interest to me is your anecdote. It would truly have been of interest to dialog with her on exactly these points. Was her view of Christianity based on media, or was it the result of encounters with Christians? What would it take to convince her that Christians are not superstitious idiots? What would it take to convince her that the message of Jesus has relevance for her?

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  4. Lets take US data (which i am confident is directionally similar in proportion in the rest of the world). 21% of the population consider themselves liberal, but over 80% of journalists and professors consider themselves liberal. The media and education system are therefore not middle of the road. FoxNews, is perceived as right-wing, which they are relative to the so-called mainstream media - yet they have a balance of closer to 50% of journalists considered liberal, and 50% conservative. UCLA and Harvard both conducted major studies and concluded FoxNews was the most balanced network. So yes Fox is right vs other sources, but that is because other sources are left of center.

    I am embarrassed to say, that her comments where at the conclusion of the interview, and i didn't think fast enough and she was off before i responded. Since most Ivy Leagers i come across with daily, initially assume Christians are dumb, either they all happened to meet dumb Christians in their life (implying Christians are less intelligent on average), or more logically the common thread of "intellectuals" is their education which taught them that religion = stupidity.

    I make a point of discussing religious issues with my co-workers during coffee, and there has been little that has intensified my own faith, that listening to the weak counter arguments of intellectual atheists. Here are people that are surely more intelligent than I am based on raw IQ, yet they have such poorly thought out arguments as to why there is no God, and in many cases it takes little to convince them they are not thinking clearly. It reminds of of the Bible when it says "Wisdom begins with fear of the Lord".

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  5. Which begs the question of who defines left, centre, right, liberal, progressive, etc. Who says where the centre is? Who is equating liberal with left? Why is liberal being equated with the left?

    My definition of a liberal would be someone who is open to new ideas, someone who is prepared to change his opinion as new events give clues as to how the world is unfolding. I think that definition would encompass many left leaning and right leaning people, but probably would exclude many (or most) on the far left as well as the right.

    I recently had a conversation with a young man who has grown up in the church, but has now rejected Christianity. Unfortunately the conversation was not as long as I would have liked it to be, but it was evident that the book of Genesis had a lot to do with his disillusionment. I suggested to him that there were many other "Christian" ways of looking at Genesis than what he had been taught in the church he grew up in.

    To be honest, when Pat Robertson says that the quake in Haiti is punishment from God, or Sarah Palin suggests that what the US is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan is a mission from God, I am embarrassed. I question whether we worship the same God. I think it is this kind of thing that leads to Christians being labelled as stupid.

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  6. Sorry, but in the post above I meant to say " I think that definition would encompass many left leaning and right leaning people, but probably would exclude many (or most) on the far left as well as the FAR right."

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  7. This article came to my desktop this morning. http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=sojomail.current_issue I really would appreciate your take on this in light of the discussion above. Is Wallis' view of the Right accurate or is he misguided?

    "Controversy in Wisconsin" refers to a controversy between Jim Wallis and a Wisconsin radio station that was stirred up (I think) by the actions of Glenn Beck and Fox News.

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  8. I am not sure what Wallis' view of he right is. It seems to me the debate is Wallis talks about "social justice" as the heart of the gospel, and has a socialist view of it. Beck believes that adding "social" to the word "justice" perverts the message of the gospel.

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  9. It seems Wallis' view of the right is that they are opposed to his ministry, and that they would like to shut him down. I am interested in knowing whether the right generally considers that Wallis is perverting the gospel, or whether this is limited to Beck and a few of his followers. I mean the actions he describes are not only anti-Wallis, they are also anti-democratic. Wouldn't you agree? So 1) Is Wallis accurate or is he paranoid? and 2) assuming he is accurate, how does the right generally feel about these kind of things?

    But back to Prager: You have said that you are opposed to the Iraq and Afgan war. So Prager would consider you a leftist from that point of view. You have also said you would favour a carbon tax. This also makes you a leftest.

    My point is that I don't find Pragers cubbyholes helpful. Nor do I find attempts to force people into cubbyholes helpful. Do you?
    According to Wikipedia "Politics is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions." So we have to make collective decisions. That is inescapable.

    Prager, and other media on the right, are trying to create a situation where those on the fiscal right will predictably also be pro Israel, anti-abortion, climate change denying, anti-social gospel (whatever that means) pro military solutions to name but a few. In fail to see how this promotes a better society. in fact, I think I would go a step further and say such attempts detract from attempts to build a better society.

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  10. I dont know what Wallis believes, i have not spent time on it. However, in light of many people Obama has choosen arond him are admitted communists, I am skeptical about anyone around him. I think it is very sad that so many Mennonites (I am not implying that you are), who had extended family members killed in communist Russia, are not bothered by the trend of communists in the US government.

    But i prefer the market place of ideas, and i dont like the idea of boycotting Wallis either. Just like in California for example, where people on the left have succeeded in having Miss California resign due to her belief that marriage should be restricted to one man and one woman. Not only that, but many businesses have been boycotted for same belief. Both with Wallis, same-sex marriage, and issues in general, I think discussing is preferable to demonizing.

    To Prager, of course I have some views that I consider myselft on the left(as i assume you have some that are on the right). But given perhaps 85% of my views are on the right, I think it is accurate to label myself as conservative.

    So net, to the original question, can you name one difference between what the media refer to as "world opinion" and Left-wing opinion?

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  11. 1) The left believes planning results in a better distribution of goods than free market. World opinion has more faith in the market.
    2) The left believes state ownership of factories results in a better life for the people. World opinion believes in private ownership.
    3) The left is in favour of homosexual marriage. World opinion believes homosexuals are criminals.
    4) The left believes drug addiction should be treated as a disease (like alcoholism). World opinion views drug addiction as a crime.
    5) The left thinks the use of marijuana should be legalized. World opinion sees marijuana use as a crime.
    6) The left views US action in Nicaragua in the 1980 (Contra era) as immoral and oppressive. World Opinion finds that acceptable.
    7) The left views the US "War on drugs" as ineffective and a failure. World opinion views it as necessary.
    8) The left considers the action of some Goldman Sachs executives who deliberately mislead investors as fraudulent, and believes that those who committed the fraud should be treated as criminals. World opinion considers a fine a suitable punishment.
    9) The left considers the Canadian government handling of security at the G20 summit an erosion of democracy. World opinion considers it necessary.
    10) The left has written off Obama as being a Bush junior [or maybe its the other way around]. World opinion continues to have high hopes for him.

    I know you only asked for one, but once I got going it was hard to stop. The list is endless, in my opinion. I am well aware that in the list above I have implicitly redefined "the left" and "world opinion" repeatedly, but that's just the point I had made earlier -- who defines the left?

    Incidentally, I do not label myself as a leftest.

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  12. Thanks for putting in the time. However, i believe that in most cases you describe (likely correctly) what people's actual opinion is - not "world opinion". I think the best example to illustrate this is gay-marriage which you mention. Yes, most people in the world are not in favor of the left position of legalizing same-sex marriage. You are probably right that in much of the world (particularly Muslim countries) homosexuality is considered a crime. But, "world opinion" in the sense of what is acceptable to portray in the newspapers and movies or "discuss" in the UN or universities is intolerant to views different than the left. In California, over half the people voted to not allow same-sex marriage (in 100% of the 40 or so referendums in the US, voters overwhelming reject same-sex marriage). When in the Miss USA pageant, Miss California was asked her views, she said that each state had the right to decide, but in her own view, she thought marriage should remain between a man and woman. Well, she was quickly extolled as a bigot by the media, and the pressure mounted for her to resign. So yes, more people in the world are against same-sex marriage, but "world opinion" is that this view is bigoted and hateful, and not acceptable to mention in public.

    So in a similar vain, i think world opinion is that capitalism is failing and at the heart of all the problems. That is how things are discussed at the UN, the media, and very much the view of recent university graduates. More government regulation is "world opinion" even though this was at the heart of the economic problem to begin with. So I don't believe your first two examples are not "world-opinion"

    Your characterization of drugs may be a good example of how the left and world opinion differ. I will have to think more about it.

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  13. Bottom line: "Politics is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions." I continue to think that making the groups "left" and "right" is not a helpful way of grouping things. I am also increasingly convinced that the pressure to see things in terms of left and right is coming from the right -- if the ultimate good is preservation of conservatism, this may be a useful strategy [but I am not even convinced of that]. If the ultimate goal is preservation of democracy, the strategy is not helpful, because it fuddles too many very important things. A case in point would be the break down of law and order as seen in smashed windows and burning police cruisers at the G20 summit. An assumption that this threat came from the left is simply glib and self-serving.

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  14. People have radically different goals for how to run a society, and i think defining it as left and right (perhaps adding the caveats of socially and fiscally) are the best way to highlight. The left and right have completely different definitions of democracy, and I think people need clarity on what those are. As we discussed, the left defines it as equality, the right as equal opportunity. Without putting it into groups, i think we confuse the issues.

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